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Post by Rodimus Prime on Nov 12, 2010 18:43:02 GMT -5
Okay, this I agree with. Not really relevant to the initial proposal of carbon vs silicon, but then, neither is a lot of what I was chattering about, either. But yeah, the whole, 'Cybertron was an organic world first (even though we never mentioned this before) and so we have to make it an organic world again even though all the organic life has been dead for millions and millions of years before we were ever built' angle just annoyed me. That's like saying that we're morally obligated to bring back the dinosaurs because they existed on our world at one time. Now, bringing back the dinosaurs might sound like fun, but it's hardly a moral obligation!
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Post by Rev on Nov 12, 2010 23:41:06 GMT -5
Wow, what a great response to my silly lil theory.
I like to think that the Quitessons killed the dinosaurs and then cyberformed Cybertron, it’s all their fault and BM is just trying to fix that.
As to the silly eating organic food bit, I reckon we should retcon that. When the tree was killed in the cartoon, it seemed to digitise into nothing, makes me think it wasn’t a proper organic tree or in some other way was tainted that didn’t affect Nightscream before he got reformatted. BM maximals should be able to deal to organic food more efficiently than an insecticon. What are the positives to being in Beast mode anyhoo? Better efficiency seems to be a mark, energy regeneration perhaps?
I do like the idea of “organic” pertaining to pesticide free, which should make Mayday happy. Dead Zone: Our Transformers are Pesticide free
There’s definitely mention of nanites helping the increased healing in robot mode as in the case of when the Diagnostic drone was examining Nightscream when he was captured (episode 7?)
BTW, Carbon Nano Tubes (C.N.T.s) seem to be the tech of the future, 300x stronger than steel by weight plus a whole lot more so I guess Carbon wins out.
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Post by Shanodin on Nov 13, 2010 0:40:53 GMT -5
That isn't getting retconned. For one thing, there is no reason to retcon it. For another, we already have a BM Maximal in play, canon has been set in game as far as things like processing organic food and what her body makeup is.
The reformatted Maximals don't have the proper filters anymore to process purely organic foodstuff. It's simple as that.
Botanica is an exception in that she can take some recharge from the proper light balance, but everyone else requires energon. They heal slowly, even w/ nanites (which every TF has for purposes of self-repair, BTW).
As for the tree, it didn't digitize into nothing. After being cut off from the core by Cheetor, it shriveled, then disintegrated into black ash. This is in keeping with the extremely sensitive and delicate nature of the other plants seen in BM- at least until Botanica showed up and started teaching everyone how to properly tend them.
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Post by Rev on Nov 13, 2010 3:56:37 GMT -5
Is this all canon? I've looked and haven't seen it. I always had the impression that BM Maximals had one of the best self repair systems across all continuities.
The version of BM I've been watching doesn't have the best res so the tree looked like it digitised but I can now understand that part better, thankyou. (up to episode 11 =D )
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Post by Rodimus Prime on Nov 13, 2010 8:09:11 GMT -5
There are passing references to self-repair systems in Transformers that go back as far as the little narration boxes in G1 Marvel. Sometimes all we know about a particular 'generation's' self-repair system from canon is 'it exists', and there really is no way to make comparative canon references. It's not as if any canon at some point damages a BM character and a G1 character and a BW character and a Bayverse all in a similar way at the same time and then sit down and time them to see how long it takes to get them all walking again. Some of these things are stated to exist but no details are given, others just have to be inferred or guessed at. Finally, there are some continuities that don't contain much in the way of reference to it at all (I can't speak for all the Japanese continuities), although I dare say any time you see a Transformer 'knocked out' on the battlefield and then manage to get up later 'pulling themselves up by force of will' or whatnot before they've had repairs done, at least some of what we're seeing would follow from having a self-repair system. Generally speaking, it does seem slower than having external repairs done, which makes sense.
That's for the canon. For the purposes of the game, Adminimus has made the declaration that all continuities (even the ones that don't contain an explicit reference) have self-repair systems of some type (sometimes there is a specific name for it, such as the Bayverse self-regenerating molecular armor, sometimes it's just generically called 'self-repair') and that they all work with similar effectiveness (although some will have occasional 'special features' that others don't), mostly because doing it that way is less of a headache for Adminimus, while at the same time letting us avoid granting an entire continuity permission to have a Wolverine-esque 'healing factor' (which we don't want to see for game-balance purposes).
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Post by Dr. James Hook on Nov 13, 2010 9:23:51 GMT -5
Masterforce is the only Japanese series I've seen, but it does reference self-repair - specifically, that Godmasters have much better self-repair systems than everyone else, implying that everyone else does have self-repair systems, which are just not as good.
Edited to add a note about cabon fibre:
I used to work for a place that made carbon fibre aircraft. I will note that this is NOT the same thing as carbon fibre nanotubes, but some of the same issues apply.
Carbon fibre is an insulator. When making an aircraft, one wants the aircraft to be a Faraday cage, such that when the aircraft is struck by lightning, the electricity passes over the surface and does not harm anything inside, such as passengers and avionics. With a metal airplane, the airplane is automatically a Faraday cage, due to metal being a good conductor. With a carbon fibre airplane, the carbon fibre tends to splinter and explode in a really nasty way when struck by lightning. So, we put a bronze phosphate mesh over the carbon fibre to make the outer surface conductive, something you wouldn't need to do with a metal airplane. Also, the paint on carbon fibre airplanes has to be really thin, to within fine tolerances, or else the paint will become an insulating coating and the bronze phosphate mesh won't do its job, and the carbon fibre will starts splintering and exploding again.
So, conductivity is a big concern. Sometimes, to get a job done, you need something that is tough and conductive.
Another concern is flammability. Carbon fibre catches on fire much more easily than aluminum does (though metal is pretty nasty if you do manage to catch it on fire). The fuel tanks of the airplanes we were building were in their wings, and sometimes, some fuel vapour would build up, such that a stray spark could potentially ignite it. We made the wings out of aluminum, even though the bodies of the aircraft were carbon fibre, because aluminum wings are less likely to catch on fire than carbon fiber wings and were therefore safer.
So what I'm trying to say here is that tensile strength is not the be-all, end-all of whether or not a material is good. There are a lot of factors that go into determining the optimal material for a job.
Also, there are currently a lot of safety problems with the manufacture of nanotechnology - nanoparticles tend to go right through protective hazmat suits (don't read this, Mayday!), and nanoparticles are so small that the human body just doesn't know how to get rid of them, so nanoparticles cause cell death and inflammation, which are decidedly not good.
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