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Post by Long Haul on Sept 24, 2007 19:02:50 GMT -5
When developing DZ-3 characters, it helps to have an idea of what their original universe is like. As with regular Deadzone, these characters are all being pulled from realities that have certain set groups of characteristics, although the one thing that will be common to all the -3 realities is that they are AAEDAG (Autobots Are Evil, Decepticons Are Good) universes (or MAEPAG, or AAEPAG, or MAEVAG). Specific details can vary from universe to universe, though. Perhaps the Decepticons are a group of noble but desperate rebels in one reality, an established democracy in another, and a benevolent Empire in the third? Meanwhile, the Autobots might be the stereotypical Evil Empire in one place, a group of violent malcontents in a second reality, and a corrupt state run on profit at the expense of others elsewhere.
We don't really need too much detail. Just enough to get a springboard for the characters that come from them. After all, these are universes that we're never going to actually see. It's just a way to bounce around ideas while getting a feel for our alternates, and to have fun in the discussion besides.
The usual cliché when it comes to a "reverse-universe" type plot, based on my personal experiences of watching way too much television in the '80's and reading way too many comic books, is that the "reverse-universe" is always a much darker reflection of the original in order to leave the viewer or reader with a feeling of, "Boy, wouldn't it be suck if that were the normal fiction reality? Aren't you glad we write the series the way we do instead?" Often, interactions with the normal universe inspire changes in the better in the reverse universe, either by giving the beleaguered heroes of the reverse universe (the counterparts of the normal universe villains) a greater glimmer of hope, or by somehow inspiring the normal universe's evil counterparts to become better people. You know what, though? There's no reason we need to follow the cliche. Especially when we've got so many different realities to work with. Sure, I imagine some will be darker. Maybe some, however, will be brighter. Like normal Deadzone, we're looking at a mismatch here, but maybe, just maybe, while looking into the mirror, our normal characters can find something to inspire them rather than it always be the other way around. We've got a lot of stuff to play with, a lot of areas to explore.
As with normal Deadzone, there are only going to be set reality "groups" that get pulled from, and within that set, the only thing that changes is the pull-point for the various characters. Thus, all DZ-3s who come from G1 Cartoon-3 are going to come from pretty similar home realities, all the ones from the G1 Marvel-3 have similar homes, and so forth. The exact nature of each -3 home reality is being left up for discussion by the individual players who run characters in those realities and who are also participating in the DZ-3 plot itself.
This thread is for the discussion of what the G1 Marvel-3 universe is like, to be determined by those who run characters in from the normal G1 Marvel universe and who wish to participate in the plot in some way (even if it's just by running their normal characters).
Current characters from the G1 Marvel universe are: Emirate Xaaron, Spinister, Needlenose, and Nightbeat
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Post by Spinister on Sept 24, 2007 21:47:41 GMT -5
All I want is for the reality to allow Spinster as a Good Cop who helps rescue kittens from trees and who has sworn to never take a life.
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Post by Emirate Xaaron on Sept 24, 2007 21:50:21 GMT -5
Personally, I'm toying with the idea of DZ-3 Emirate Xaaron being a Unicron-worshipper. DZ-3 Emirate Xaaron is also a nice, kind, but ultimately ineffectual fellow who is probably only still alive because he makes a convenient figurehead.
This means a number of options for DZ-3 Unicron:
1) DZ-3 Unicron is the good guy. Primus is the bad guy.
2) DZ-3 Unicron is the bad guy. Emirate Xaaron is wrong. Primus is also bad.
3) DZ-3 Unicron is the bad guy. Emirate Xaaron is wrong. Primus is good.
4) DZ-3 Unicron is a good guy. Primus is also a good guy. They fight, due a misunderstanding, but really are on the same side.
5) DZ-3 Unicron is a good guy. Primus is also a good guy. They work together. Emirate Xaaron just likes Unicron better.
Personally, I like option 4 best, but what do you guys think?
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Post by Kup on Sept 25, 2007 7:53:31 GMT -5
How do we get an evil Matrix out of 4? Can we get an evil Matrix out of 4?
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Post by Emirate Xaaron on Sept 25, 2007 8:21:47 GMT -5
Sure we can. It seems pretty easy to corrupt Matrices! We could even say that Prime Nova killed Prima to get the Matrix and then corrupted the Matrix, thereby starting the chain of, "Primes are scary, ****ed up people."
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Post by Kup on Sept 25, 2007 8:22:32 GMT -5
Woot!
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Post by Emirate Xaaron on Sept 25, 2007 11:49:40 GMT -5
And, oh! Thunderwing could be the one picked out by the Matrix to purify it after this string of evil Primes, but his valiant efforts are, sadly, thwarted by the Autobots.
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Post by Needlenose on Sept 30, 2007 15:19:51 GMT -5
Needlenose is another good cop. Spinister's partner. Has a great appreciation for classical arts, but doesn't keep up much on modern stuff.
A bit shy, too.
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Post by Starscream on Sept 30, 2007 20:11:37 GMT -5
Personally, I'm toying with the idea of DZ-3 Emirate Xaaron being a Unicron-worshipper. DZ-3 Emirate Xaaron is also a nice, kind, but ultimately ineffectual fellow who is probably only still alive because he makes a convenient figurehead. This means a number of options for DZ-3 Unicron: 1) DZ-3 Unicron is the good guy. Primus is the bad guy. 2) DZ-3 Unicron is the bad guy. Emirate Xaaron is wrong. Primus is also bad. 3) DZ-3 Unicron is the bad guy. Emirate Xaaron is wrong. Primus is good. 4) DZ-3 Unicron is a good guy. Primus is also a good guy. They fight, due a misunderstanding, but really are on the same side. 5) DZ-3 Unicron is a good guy. Primus is also a good guy. They work together. Emirate Xaaron just likes Unicron better. Personally, I like option 4 best, but what do you guys think? I kinda think that, given the omni-presence of Unicron and Primus, this should be put on for general discussion. or at least, discussion from all parties that have a Unicron and/Or a Primus. I think it's important that, if nothing else, there should be consistencies in what unicronses and Primuses are across universes. |
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Post by Emirate Xaaron on Sept 30, 2007 20:42:59 GMT -5
If you think that there should be consistencies across universes of Unicron and Primus, then Unicron has to be evil here, and Primus has to be good.
On the other hand, it is possible that while all Unicrons and all Primuses are aspects of the same being, they express different aspects. For example, the aspect of Unicron shown in Armada is very different than in the G1 Cartoon, so it is possible that DZ-3 G1 Marvel Unicron expresses a benevolent aspect of Unicron, whereas DZ-3 G1 Cartoon Unicron still expresses an evil aspect or whatever.
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Post by Emirate Xaaron on Oct 5, 2007 11:34:46 GMT -5
In the beginning, Unicron was assigned to devour the debauched and decayed, that newer, better life could fill its place. He was necessary destruction, the cleansing fire that prepares the forest for new growth.
Primus, assigned to protect life, saw Unicron devouring a planet and jumped to all the wrong conclusions. What Primus didn't know was that everyone there was irredeemably corrupt.
Primus trapped Unicron and himself in metal bodies. Unicron re-engineered his body to transform and went on his merry way, consuming evil wherever he found it. He never devours an innocent and gives each innocent caught in the crossfire a choice: either to live inside Unicron in a small, peaceful community of other innocent souls salvaged from doomed worlds or to be reformatted, more powerful than before, and go out to the universe to do Unicron's good work and fight evil.
Primus, meanwhile, tried to make creations to fight Unicron. His first creations, the demons, were a dismal failure, and when Unicron saw them, Unicron saw yet more proof that Primus was evil. Primus's second creations, the Transformers, showed more promise. However, Prime Nova killed Prima and took the Matrix, corrupting it with his unbridled lust for power. This, again, did not do any good to convince Unicron that Primus was really good.
The Primes have differed in styles, but they have been bad apples to the last. Optimus Prime was a crime lord spreading protection rackets, extortion, and drug running across the universe. The Decepticons did their best to stop him. Some, like Needlenose and Spinister, took on the role of cops, upholding the law. Some acted as vigilantes. Some took a paramilitary approach.
In one timeline, the Matrix chose Thunderwing to purify it of the taint of the Primes. He came close, but the conniving gangster Nightbeat booted him out into space.
Emirate Xaaron, a rather pathetic figure, existed only to put a kind, gentle front on the Autobots' brutal crimes. He was a useful figurehead, no more and no less. However, when Unicron arrived, the Devourist knew what he had to do for his master: travel deep into Cybertron and distract Primus long enough that Unicron could kill him and his horrific brood. A time-travelling Galvatron chased after Emirate Xaaron, intending to stop Emirate Xaaron, because he knew what Emirate Xaaron didn't: that both Primus and Unicron are good, just confused.
In another timeline, Rodimus Prime arose. Unlike Optimus Prime, he was not interested in petty wealth. Rodimus Prime, a demonic figure, craved only destruction. Fashioned from the noble law bringer Megatron, Galvatron was created to stop the wicked Rodimus Prime. Rodimus Prime trapped Unicron in his Matrix to make himself even more powerful, and he killed his Emirate Xaaron, having no use for a pretty front. His Galvatron travelled back in time to stop this horror from ever occurring, unleashing the Time Wars. When Galvatron returned to his present, expecting things to be better, Cybertron was ablaze, a pyre for Rodimus Prime's thirst for destruction.
Needlenose, Midnight, and Nightbeat, does this seem okay to you?
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Post by Kup on Oct 5, 2007 11:46:08 GMT -5
Works for me! (Speaking using my Kup alt)
Now, to the nap-mobile!
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Post by Hellbender on Nov 28, 2007 19:15:09 GMT -5
C&P from the other thread..
DZ-3 Midnight is a sadistic warrior/vigilante with an ice-cold control of himself--except when he's got his hands on a "bad guy". He likes hurting "bad guys", who have a nasty habit of 'accidentally' falling into open smelters and things like that when Midnight is around. Nothing is too bad for those who would drag down the Empire.
DZ Midnight has a hidden dislike of cruelty that he's only half-aware of. (The Smelting Pools creeped him out in a big way). He has temper and impulse control problems.
DZ-3 Midnight has a hidden taste for cruelty that he's halfway in denial over; he tried to convince himself that the bad guys deserve what they get at his hands.
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Post by Rodimus Prime-3 on Jan 15, 2008 17:59:22 GMT -5
Copy and pasted from the Rodimus-3 application:
"Rodimus-3's mere presence is enough to encourage the darker and more violent tendancies of those around him. Greater exposure increases the effect, and the strength varies from individual to individual. How, how much, and even if this will affect the actual player characters is, of course, up to the individual players."
This is important to know for anyone RPing a scene with me, or even anyone who's encountered Rodimus-3 in the alternate universe, before arriving here.
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Post by Nightbeat on Jan 15, 2008 23:21:36 GMT -5
DZ-3 Nightbeat is a stereotypical gangster in the same way that Nightbeat is a stereotypical detective. So basically, it's cliches and pop culture takes out the wazoo. Speaks with "dats" and "youse" and those kind of things. Maybe not quite as smart as his normalverse self, he approaches planning crimes by figuring out how he'd solve them, and then figuring out how to get around that.
*actual log-in with different user pic pending.*
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